On 17/12/2023 07:51 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2023 at 16:30:35 GMT, "Pamela" <uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13:03 17 Dec 2023, Roger Hayter said:
>>> On 17 Dec 2023 at 10:14:15 GMT, "Pamela"
>>> <uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 13:42 16 Dec 2023, Roger Hayter said:
>>>>> On 16 Dec 2023 at 09:38:50 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso"
>>>>> <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Am 15/12/2023 um 04:01 schrieb JNugent:
>>>>>>> So you don't have a definition of "settled" to offer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a holder of a Settled Status, I can tell you it's a moving
>>>>>> target, at least when it comes to EEA Settled Status.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is clear, at least to me, that someone who is in France illegally
>>>>> and has not been granted asylum there cannot be said to have settled
>>>>> status as far as the UN rules on refugees, or indeed any other set
>>>>> of rules, is concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>> The situation is that millions of refugees and economic migrants
>>>>> enter Europe every year. A really small proportion of them, a few
>>>>> tens of thousands, want to get to the UK for family or language
>>>>> reasons.
>>>>
>>>> If that were the case then surely these people would apply for leave
>>>> to remain in the UK through conventional channels ... just as, for
>>>> example, thousands of Indians and Pakistanis do.
>>>
>>> They can only do that precisely because they are *not* refugees!
>>
>> You wrote above: "A really small proportion of them, a few tens of
>> thousands, want to get to the UK for family or language reasons". They
>> are the ones I was referring to. Maybe we're talking at crossed
>> purposes.
>>
>>>> Instead they arrive in small boats
>>>> which suggests they are economic migrants, attracted by the relative
>>>> ease of obtaining money state in the UK.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what "money state" is but it is certainly not easy to
>>> obtain anything in the UK. Most arrivees spend several years in hostel
>>> accommodation with choice-free meals and a tiny amount of pocket money
>>> - much, much less than universal credit.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Not most of them, contrary to the arrogance of those English who
>>>>> feel that this is the best place in the world and everyone wants to
>>>>> come here. I find it sad that so many of the English population are
>>>>> so fired with xenophobic hatred that they cannot tolerate this and
>>>>> at least accept the refugees and apparently stateless among them.
>>>>> It is not as though we have a big problem compared with, say, Italy.
>>>>
>>>> Genuine refugees fleeing persecution in a nearby country should
>>>> always be welcomed here.
>>>
>>> That's pretty safe to say now, but your predecessors in the 1930s were
>>> much less kind about refugees from Hitler.
>>
>> My predecessors? Our predecessors perhaps.
>
> My predecessors did not hold the sort of views on social issues that you
> profess.

How do you (think you) know that?

Genuine question.