Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/03/business/trump-media-accounting-firm-charged-fraud
>
>
>Back on the day, the National Party here took leads from the
>Republican Party in the USA. They must be very thankful that they and
>ACT now take advice from the Atlas Network . . .
No they didn't and no they don't.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/03/business/trump-media-accounting-firm-charged-fraud

Back on the day, the National Party here took leads from the
Republican Party in the USA. They must be very thankful that they and
ACT now take advice from the Atlas Network . . .

On Sat, 04 May 2024 19:42:19 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:

> Back on the day, the National Party here took leads from the Republican
> Party in the USA.

I doubt that the US Democrats were that much friends with Labour here. Our
idea of “centre-left” would still be much too “Socialist” for them.

On Sun, 5 May 2024 01:23:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 04 May 2024 19:42:19 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
>
>> Back on the day, the National Party here took leads from the Republican
>> Party in the USA.
>
>I doubt that the US Democrats were that much friends with Labour here. Our
>idea of “centre-left” would still be much too “Socialist” for them.

I agree. NZ Labour has traditionally had more contact with Australian
and UK Labour Parties. While not perfect, the "Political Compass"
gives a fairly accurate assessment of how far "left" or "right"
different parties are - see https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023
and https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020
and https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2022
and https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019 (and that last has Labour
very much to the left; having lived there for a while and reading
about the party under the current leader I suspect they are closer to
where the Lib Dems are on that chart.

Nevertheless, the USA government has consistently dealt with our
governments regardless of the political party in power in either
country the National party used to often send people from here to do
voluntary work with the Republicans and their campaign leader would
visit the party in the year before our election to see how they did
things. Trump's use of money to send propaganda to different postcodes
based on polling was a radical change towards the now common use of
disinformation by the Right; the National Party now get that advice
through Atlas and the NZ Taxpayer Union which acts like a political
action Committee in the USA - now covering each of the government
coalition parties here and dreaming up "campaigns' like Groundswell
that they can pretend are "concerned members of the public"

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 5 May 2024 01:23:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 04 May 2024 19:42:19 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
>>
>>> Back on the day, the National Party here took leads from the Republican
>>> Party in the USA.
>>
>>I doubt that the US Democrats were that much friends with Labour here. Our
>>idea of �centre-left� would still be much too �Socialist� for them.
>
>I agree. NZ Labour has traditionally had more contact with Australian
>and UK Labour Parties. While not perfect, the "Political Compass"
>gives a fairly accurate assessment of how far "left" or "right"
>different parties are - see https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023
>and https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020
>and https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2022
>and https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019 (and that last has Labour
>very much to the left; having lived there for a while and reading
>about the party under the current leader I suspect they are closer to
>where the Lib Dems are on that chart.
>
>Nevertheless, the USA government has consistently dealt with our
>governments regardless of the political party in power in either
>country the National party used to often send people from here to do
>voluntary work with the Republicans and their campaign leader would
>visit the party in the year before our election to see how they did
>things. Trump's use of money to send propaganda to different postcodes
>based on polling was a radical change towards the now common use of
>disinformation by the Right; the National Party now get that advice
>through Atlas and the NZ Taxpayer Union which acts like a political
>action Committee in the USA - now covering each of the government
>coalition parties here and dreaming up "campaigns' like Groundswell
>that they can pretend are "concerned members of the public"
Far too many lies in the above two paragraphs to count - the entire diatribe is
priceless, it is a perfect example of what happens to somebody who has bben
brainwashed and hasn't the intellect to understand that they have been
engineered. Almost dystopian.