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* This Scots hate bill business ?Jethro_uk
+* Re: This Scots hate bill business ?Roger Hayter
|`* Re: This Scots hate bill business ?Jethro_uk
| `- Re: This Scots hate bill business ?Davey
`* Re: This Scots hate bill business ?Colin Bignell
 +- Re: This Scots hate bill business ?Mark Goodge
 `- Re: This Scots hate bill business ?Sam Plusnet

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From: jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com (Jethro_uk)
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Subject: This Scots hate bill business ?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 14:49:04 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Jethro_uk - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 14:49 UTC

How does it cover someone in England (say) tweeting about someone in
Scotland to another person in England ?

Or someone in the US tweeting to someone in England about someone in
Scotland ?

Will Scottish polis be crossing into England in dawn raids for
transgressors ?

It's all very perplexing.

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From: roger@hayter.org (Roger Hayter)
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Subject: Re: This Scots hate bill business ?
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 by: Roger Hayter - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 16:49 UTC

On 1 Apr 2024 at 15:49:04 BST, "Jethro_uk" <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

> How does it cover someone in England (say) tweeting about someone in
> Scotland to another person in England ?
>
> Or someone in the US tweeting to someone in England about someone in
> Scotland ?
>
> Will Scottish polis be crossing into England in dawn raids for
> transgressors ?
>
> It's all very perplexing.

There is extensive precedent for extraditing people to the US for sending
nasty things to US computers, so it is not so outlandish if the victim is in
Scotland for accessible non-Scots to be charged.

--
Roger Hayter

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From: cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk (Colin Bignell)
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 by: Colin Bignell - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 17:13 UTC

On 01/04/2024 15:49, Jethro_uk wrote:
> How does it cover someone in England (say) tweeting about someone in
> Scotland to another person in England ?
>
> Or someone in the US tweeting to someone in England about someone in
> Scotland ?
>
> Will Scottish polis be crossing into England in dawn raids for
> transgressors ?
>
> It's all very perplexing.
>

Police Scotland has already said it doesn't have the resources to
investigate every 'low level' crime, in which they include some
burglaries as well as criminal damage. I suspect that will, in practice,
mean they are only really going to take action in the most severe cases
and most of those are already covered by existing UK wide legislation.

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: Mark Goodge - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 17:46 UTC

On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 18:13:28 +0100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

>On 01/04/2024 15:49, Jethro_uk wrote:
>> How does it cover someone in England (say) tweeting about someone in
>> Scotland to another person in England ?
>>
>> Or someone in the US tweeting to someone in England about someone in
>> Scotland ?
>>
>> Will Scottish polis be crossing into England in dawn raids for
>> transgressors ?
>>
>> It's all very perplexing.
>>
>
>Police Scotland has already said it doesn't have the resources to
>investigate every 'low level' crime, in which they include some
>burglaries as well as criminal damage. I suspect that will, in practice,
>mean they are only really going to take action in the most severe cases
>and most of those are already covered by existing UK wide legislation.

Yes, indeed. Despite both the eager promotion for the new law from its
supporters and dire warnings from its detractors, I strongly suspect that it
will have minimal practical impact. Without more resources for enforcement,
it's just virtue signalling. Something must be done about online abuse, this
is something, so this is being done.

Mark

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 18:25 UTC

On 01-Apr-24 18:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 01/04/2024 15:49, Jethro_uk wrote:
>> How does it cover someone in England (say) tweeting about someone in
>> Scotland to another person in England ?
>>
>> Or someone in the US tweeting to someone in England about someone in
>> Scotland ?
>>
>> Will Scottish polis be crossing into England in dawn raids for
>> transgressors ?
>>
>> It's all very perplexing.
>>
>
> Police Scotland has already said it doesn't have the resources to
> investigate every 'low level' crime, in which they include some
> burglaries as well as criminal damage. I suspect that will, in practice,
> mean they are only really going to take action in the most severe cases
> and most of those are already covered by existing UK wide legislation.
>
I know nothing about this particular bill, but that:

"they are only really going to take action in the most severe cases"
could often be recast as:

"they are only really going to take action in cases where the failure to
act would result in very negative publicity for the Police.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Jethro_uk - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 17:01 UTC

On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 16:49:15 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

> On 1 Apr 2024 at 15:49:04 BST, "Jethro_uk" <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com>
> wrote:
>
>> [quoted text muted]
>
> There is extensive precedent for extraditing people to the US for
> sending nasty things to US computers,

But the treaty only works one way though.

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 by: Davey - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 00:00 UTC

On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 17:01:58 -0000 (UTC)
Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 16:49:15 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:
>
> > On 1 Apr 2024 at 15:49:04 BST, "Jethro_uk"
> > <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
> >
> >> [quoted text muted]
> >
> > There is extensive precedent for extraditing people to the US for
> > sending nasty things to US computers,
>
> But the treaty only works one way though.
>

Exactly.

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